Saturday, June 13, 2009

Integrity will evolve through more discussions

[Re: The Mother as an Artist—by Sunayana Panda
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Angiras on Wed 10 Jun 2009 11:56 PM IST
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Paulette, Hopefully my last response. I shall be brief. You seem to have accumulated a lifetime of memories and I dont know if it is helpful for Yoga to keep talking about it since it renews and strengthens the past. If all these memories could be purged from the consciousness, maybe an original response to this problem will spring forth from within. No offence but just a suggestion. I noticed Savitra does something similar. He recalls how he suffered in the 1970s at the hands of some goons and then assumes that this has some connection with Peter. All analogies are false if the souls are not equal in development.]

[Online forums, face-to-face discussions groups are good, but what I was talking about was institutional mechanisms within a community - eg. the community fielding interviews, presentations of individual interpretations of IY processes, etc, followed by sharing circles exploring interpretive positions, etc. while maintaining a culture of non-interference and respect for plurality in such communication acts. A living culture of this kind in a community promotes plurality of interpretation and the sense of individual participation and growth among its members. Its lack leads to the fossilization of a teaching into endless repetitions of a mainstream message by a few spokespersons in a fixed language and the willing or unwilling acquiescence of the rest to its proxy comforts. Yes, I think it is the lack of this kind of culture and the reduction of the social field of IY to unthinking consumption of a canned mainline propaganda dished out in a set of buzz-words by a few "authorities" that is largely the reason for the present close-mindedness. by Debashish on Fri 12 Jun 2009 07:36 PM PDT Profile Permanent Link Re: Knowledge and Human Liberation - Excerpts from Ananta Kumar Giri Annotated by Debashish Banerji]

[Re: The Mother as an Artist—by Sunayana Panda
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RY Deshpande on Mon 08 Jun 2009 06:41 AM IST
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There is a statement on the
Mirror which effectively states that Sri Aurobindo’s younger brother Barin ‘committed suicide’ perhaps because of schizophrenia he inherited from their mother... I think we have yet to get a proper picture of Barin before we pass facile comments about him. ~ RYD Reply]

[Re: What we expect
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RY Deshpande on Thu 11 Jun 2009 07:27 PM IST
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We are not concerned with writing career, earning, royalty, donation, use of facilities, or any other private arrangement, not with crucifixion, not with individuals, personal lives, nothing of the sort. I’ve been repeatedly saying that our focus has to be on the biography, please, on the Lives in this case, and anything extraneous to it is irrelevant for our pursuit. Let us maintain that dignity and poise, a certain spiritual awareness of things. If there should be deviation from this stand, the comments will be simply deleted. If we are talking of the Mother’s art, then let us not mix up with it obnoxious matters. What elevates our spirits that is what we want. ~ RYD Reply]

[Re: What we expect--Shanti Mantra
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alokpandey on Sat 13 Jun 2009 11:26 AM IST
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Dear Deshpande ji I do not see the point of discussion anymore. From the postings of P and others it is clear that they have taken a stand in favour of Heehs and thats their main concern... What is the point of discussion if the issues are never addressed and instead one beats around the bush speaking of one's past experiences with some ashram sadhakas. I am sure they were great men in their own right but I would be rather glad if the discussion centered around the book and as seen in the Light of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother and not according to some mental twilit ideal of intellectual freedom and some such stuff. Or are intellectual freedom and spiritual freedom synonymous or is one the path to the other... Further discussions are only helping spread misinformation as for example through some of P's mails where the illness of Barin, the editing of letters, even the author's supposed intent etc are being projected and we are being made to believe it... And for God's sake lets stop discussing Jung and Neo-Freudianism. We have had enough of it. Regards alok .
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[Re: A full-length Article
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RY Deshpande on Sat 13 Jun 2009 05:40 PM IST
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In fact these concern the Mirror in the least. Much of the comments here is extraneous to it. I’d suggest someone write a full-length articles to focus the essential issues, on what exactly emerges from the biography, for instance, the volatile problem connected with India’s fissured freedom. If it is found suitable, I’ll post it for discussion. At the moment, comments are flying in all the hundred directions and there is so much incoherence, that they seem to deflect attention from the objectives altogether. The discussion becomes unavailing and frustrating, also acrimonious. There’s no hurry, and we can do it when it is really ready. In the meanwhile, I’ll suggest the termination of the present discussion. Thanks to all the participants for the keen interest they have taken in the matter. ~ RYD Reply]

[from Tusar N. Mohapatra tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com to Paulette paulette@auroville.org.in date11 June 2009 15:16
Sentiments expressed by you with regard to the direct disciples like Rishabhchand, Indra Sen, and Kishor Gandhi are very lively and inspiring. Dil Mange More! TNM]

Integrity is integral to Habermasian communication as well as Integral Yoga. These seemingly contradictory positions can effectively and effortlessly be reconciled when the benchmark of integrity is achieved. But, that’s a tall order considering human frailty and finitude. However, it's only through more “discussions” that integrity will evolve. [TNM]

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