[Fish focuses on the almost certain decline of humanistic learning, which leads me to ask a question: might schools of theology wind up being one of the last holdouts? Their advantage is that they are in some sense professional schools, designed to train ministers, yet that very training requires a broad, if selective, education — to understand the Bible, you need to understand ancient cultures and languages; to understand theology, you need to understand philosophy; to preach effectively, you need to understand contemporary culture, and many of the kind of ministers who go to seminary would agree that this includes its “high art” manifestations. Clearly there are blindspots, but the traditional disciplines within the divinity school curriculum seem to me to be among the most “inherently” interdisciplinary — meaning in practice that in many schools of theology, the entire university, at least the humanities side, is reproduced on a small scale. The last holdouts?
from An und für sich by Adam Kotsko]
[The thing is, as I said, I am bound and determined to make my way through Balthasar's sprawling -- and I do mean sprawling -- 15 volume systematics. I've almost breezed through volume one, and I have volumes two and three on deck. It's probably -- no, it is -- the most challenging thing I've ever attempted to assimilate, although I suppose truly assimilating Aurobindo would be equally, if not more, daunting, since he was less systematic to begin with. In reading his most recent biography, it seems that the majority of Aurobindo's writings, regardless of how public, were more like a running journal of his own experiences -- as if his attitude was, "If you want to climb aboard, fine, if not, feel free to stay down on the tarmac, but I'm not slowing down." I'm sure that on a certain level, Balthasar's writings may be seen in the same way, except that he at least attempted with all his heart, soul, and mind to fit his expansive vision into the pre-existing archetypes of Christian dogma, whereas Aurobindo was constantly inventing new terms and categories for his. Here we can appreciate the virtue of dogma, as it is again analogous to, say, a system of musical theory and notation that allows us to produce music... //as well wrap up Bolton. Drinking Diamonds From the Firehose and Swallowing the Mine
from One Cosmos by Gagdad Bob]
[Anonymous has left a new comment on your post ""Experience" is ambiguous and it implies two sense...": I do not agree with you equating spirituality as being mere experiences. Take music as a very crude analogy. A casual listener can 'experience' music and be a great fan of certain musics or artists. A music fan can use all sorts of flowery language to describe what he/she experienced in music. But for the virtuoso itself it is a completely different matter. It entails years or even decades of concentrated training. It is not just about learning some techniques, but involves apprenticeship under a master and the transformation of the being to coincide with the subtle realm where music originates.Such is the different between a talking school music fan and a practicing school musician. It is true of most human endeavors that requires years of dedications. It is definitely true about spiritual endeavors.
Posted by Anonymous to Feel Philosophy at 6:52 AM, January 19, 2009]
[Religion would be recomposed in new forms that meet the new situation December 23rd, 2008 Akbar Ganji in conversation with Charles Taylor posted by Nader Hashemi and Danny Postel
Charles Taylor: If the human relation to religion and to God is not as shallow as the mainstream theory thinks, then what would happen in many cases is religion would be recomposed in new forms that meet the new situation. And that is in fact what I would argue has happened in the West. So this is a much more adequate theory to understand this historical and sociological reality, but what it required is a deep understanding of the place of religion in human life.
So I would claim that there’s a single discourse and it’s made up of elements that look as though they are drawn from three disciplines, but in fact they cohere together as a single discourse. The three discourses would be philosophy, history and sociology. You can’t do sociology without history, history without sociology, and you can’t do either without a proper philosophical understanding of human motivation. So the whole thing hangs together from those three sources.] 6:46 AM
[Stephen Batchelor’s “Letting daylight into magic.” // As I’ve mentioned before, I was an initiate into a western esoteric and hermetic tradition that believed in the various planes of existence and that real, autonomous beings inhabited those planes. By the practice of theurgy one could not just communicate with such beings but actually let them inhabit oneself during ritual ceremony. By rotating roles in various rituals one makes the rounds of these beings, thereby becoming more in touch with the various invisible powers that shape and influence our visible world. A (post)modern mind would naturally say that the beings were not really real, that they were metaphors for the various psychological aspects that make up the human being, both conscious and unconscious. And there were those of us who chose to interpret it that way. But by far the majority of practitioners, including the leaders, interpreted this quite literally, and consequently got caught up in serious dogma, both political and religious. It was for this reason that I eventually resigned from the Order. Now we know that due to Wilber’s influence many so-called integralites are Buddhist in belief and practice. And we know that Buddhism is the predominant religious system used in W’s books. Hence I know it is a very sensitive issue to bring up how this religion still maintains such magico-mythic-rational beliefs and practices. When I did so a couple of years ago in the I-I pod I was nearly crucified. This pod though is a different environment so it’s more likely to yield more productive results on the road to a postmetaphyical spirituality. Letting daylight into magic
from Open Integral by Edward Berge]
[Part of the problem, of course, may be the lack of an intellectual culture in the Hindu right. The shakha, constituting the basic building block of the RSS, (and by corollary, the BJP), which encourages “absolute compliance” towards building of the “sangathan” (organisation) militates against critical thinking. This prohibition manifests itself at various levels — the RSS is afraid of “outsiders”; it disbanded the position of “spokesperson” last year; when it invited a select group of journalists to its Jhandewalan headquarters last month, the ones who turned up uninvited were shooed away. Without a history > Indian Express > Edits & Columns > Tuesday , 20 January '09 Suman K Jha]
[We need to strengthen the academic/intellectual side of the Sri Aurobindo International Centre for Education
DEPARTMENT OF ENGLISH > UNIVERSITY OF HYDERABAD > HYDERABAD 500 046, (A.P.) INDIA > Dr. Sachidananda Mohanty Professor and Head, 17 September 2008 The Trustees of Sri Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry 605 002 Sub: Peter Heehs’ book: The Lives of Sri Aurobindo, Columbia University Press, 2008... What are the lessons?
First, we need to strengthen the academic/intellectual side of the Sri Aurobindo International Centre for Education. We must fashion out a way of intellectual training of the young students and critics that fits into Sri Aurobindo’s injunction about the office and limitation of Reason, expounded in Human Cycle and elsewhere. The Mind, Sri Aurobindo says, most emphatically, has to be developed as an instrument, and open itself to higher Truths of Life. If we do not do this, we cannot blame others who are not attuned to this approach, from taking over and filling the void, as it has regrettably happened now. 6:56 PM]
[Reply Re: The Genesis of a Controversy
by Rick on Sun 18 Jan 2009 11:17 AM PST Profile Permanent Link
I tend to see the SCIY site partly as a tool to try to connect Sri Aurobindo’s action to the academic, scientific, intellectual communities. It’s a difficult task as these communities seem often stuck in and with their faith in reason, wanting perhaps to go beyond it but not finding acceptable means. It’s not made any easier also because reason can be and is so much or so often a tool of vital preferences we’re barely conscious of. That’s partly why some of the developments in the controversy surrounding Peter’s latest book are so disconcerting: here’s a person, unusually rational himself, who is trying to reach out to these communities and like all of us facing his own internal conflicts.]
Assimilating the teachings of The Mother & Sri Aurobindo is undoubtedly daunting, but adopting a systematic approach is unavoidable now in order to quell the prevailing anarchy. [TNM]